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		<title>By: Don Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.chiriquichatter.net/blog/2007/11/15/hagen-dice/#comment-29949</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Panamanian brands are good. They usually stick to the standard flavors.</description>
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		<title>By: james feltus</title>
		<link>http://www.chiriquichatter.net/blog/2007/11/15/hagen-dice/#comment-29944</link>
		<dc:creator>james feltus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks; I'll definitely try the Panamanian brands. When I'm there, I try to buy Panamanian, when possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks; I&#8217;ll definitely try the Panamanian brands. When I&#8217;m there, I try to buy Panamanian, when possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of the Panamanian brands, Bonlac is the best followed by Estrella Azul. Dos Pinos is a Costa Rican brand that I haven't tried.

Of the imported (US) brands, I really have liked Mayfield. I wish El Rey would bring some other flavors that I have looked up on the net. Of the Mayfield flavors they have brought, my favorite is banana split. 

There are a couple Ben and Jerry's that I like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of the Panamanian brands, Bonlac is the best followed by Estrella Azul. Dos Pinos is a Costa Rican brand that I haven&#8217;t tried.</p>
<p>Of the imported (US) brands, I really have liked Mayfield. I wish El Rey would bring some other flavors that I have looked up on the net. Of the Mayfield flavors they have brought, my favorite is banana split. </p>
<p>There are a couple Ben and Jerry&#8217;s that I like.</p>
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		<title>By: james feltus</title>
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		<dc:creator>james feltus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's your favorite down there, and do you know what brand they serve in the cones at Super Baru??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s your favorite down there, and do you know what brand they serve in the cones at Super Baru??</p>
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		<title>By: Don Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 02:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James. Interesting information. I personally think that Breyer's Ice Cream (at least in Panama) is about as poor a substitute for ice cream as the is. I have made myself a promise to never again buy it. Of course I said that before and than bought it again a year later. Then I kicked myself and said, "I told you so - me".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James. Interesting information. I personally think that Breyer&#8217;s Ice Cream (at least in Panama) is about as poor a substitute for ice cream as the is. I have made myself a promise to never again buy it. Of course I said that before and than bought it again a year later. Then I kicked myself and said, &#8220;I told you so - me&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: james feltus</title>
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		<dc:creator>james feltus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 02:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've always avoided Haagen-Daz because I thought the Scandinavian name on a Bronx company's product was a bit of hoodwinking, and I thought that they were selling the name with that high price. Your post made me search; I came up with this, and you've made a believer out of me. Also, and maybe related to what Henry said, Wickipedia mentions that H-D is meant to be kept at a lower temperature than most other ice creams; possibly some stores don't know that:

Butteroil and Bad Ice Cream

If you think ice cream is necessarily made from cream, or even milk, you’d be wrong. Indeed some ice cream is made from those ingredients, but most is not. Most commercial ice cream on the market today is composed primarily of “modified milk ingredients,” which can mean any of a number of different factory goops that are derived from milk.

If you’re lucky, the modified milk ingredients in your ice cream is simply powdered milk. More likely it’s casein (factory-extracted milk proteins), or whey proteins, or even a butteroil compound. The butteroil compound, according to a recent CBC Marketplace report, is 49% butteroil and 51% sugar.

You might ask, why bother using all this factory crap when we (especially here in Quebec) are surrounded by dairy farms? The answer is simple: money. Modified milk ingredients, which are usually made from by-products of other dairy product manufacturing, are cheaper.

The butteroil compound (which you will never see listed as such on an ingredients list) is particularly cheaper because it contains 51% sugar; since it is more non-dairy than dairy, it can be imported without having to pay any of the duties or levies that are applied to real dairy products. In other words, it is cheaper to use imported butteroil compound than to use fresh milk from the dairy farm just down the road.

Most of the butteroil compound used in Canadian-made ice cream comes from the U.K. or New Zealand.

This is a travesty. Not only does that locally manufactured ice cream carry a huge carbon footprint from all that international shipping, and not only is it a slap in the face to our local dairy farmers, but it makes for lousy ice cream because it requires the addition of further factory goop in order to make it resemble the texture and “mouth feel” of real ice cream. Worst of all, it pretty much always misses the mark.

Check the labels. Ice cream composed primarily of “modified milk ingredients” is also full of various gums (guar, cellulose, carrageenan, etc.) which is used to stabilize the product and to give it a creamy feel. However, it’s really more of a gummy feel, but we’ve become so accustomed to fake ice cream that most of us no longer know the difference.

I don’t know what the health implications of all those compounds and gums are, but from a purely aesthetic perspective think about it this way: on your left is a tub of frozen butteroil compound, glucose, and two or three gums. On your right is a tub of frozen milk, cream, and sugar. Now which one sounds more appealing? And which one do you think will actually taste better?

There’s a reason why ice cream from small producers like Le Bilboquet and Ripples tastes better (and is more expensive). It’s because they are made of real food, not factory by-products and lab goop.

Most supermarket brands fail the test. A few, such as Häagen-Daz, are made from real food, but most – especially the no-name brands – are total crap. Some will fool you, like Nestle’s “Real Dairy” product. Its first ingredient is real cream, but next comes “modified milk ingredients,” followed by corn syrup and three kinds of gum.

Below are the ingredients lists of a few popular brands to show you what I mean; they’re listed in order from “real” to “fake” (according to my own guidelines). Please read the labels before you buy, and vote with your hard-earned shopping money.

Häagen-Daz Vanilla

    CREAM, SKIM MILK, SUGAR, EGG YOLKS, NATURAL VANILLA. (Source.)

Ben &#38; Jerry’s Vanilla

    CREAM, SKIM MILK, LIQUID SUGAR, WATER, EGG YOLKS, VANILLA EXTRACT WITH VANILLA BEAN SEEDS, GUAR GUM AND CARRAGEENAN. (Source.)

Nestlé Real Dairy Natural Vanilla

    FRESH CREAM, MODIFIED MILK INGREDIENTS, SUGAR, CORN SYRUP, EVAPORATED SKIM MILK, STABILIZERS*, NATURAL VANILLA FLAVOUR, PURE GROUND VANILLA BEANS. *STABILIZERS: MONO- AND DIGLYCERIDES, GUAR GUM, CALCIUM SULPHATE, CELLULOSE GUM, CARRAGEENAN. (Source.)

Breyer’s Double-Churned Extra Creamy Natural Vanilla

    MILK INGREDIENTS, SUGAR, MODIFIED MILK INGREDIENTS, GLUCOSE, NATURAL VANILLA FLAVOUR, MONO AND DIGLYCERIDES, CELLULOSE GUM, GUAR GUM, POLYSORBATE 80, CARRAGEENAN, PURE GROUND VANILLA BEANS. (Source.)

Breyer’s Double-Churned Extra Creamy Fat-Free Natural Vanilla

    MILK INGREDIENTS, MODIFIED MILK INGREDIENTS, SUGAR, GLUCOSE, POLYDEXTROSE (3.4 G / 125 ML), MALTODEXTRIN, NATURAL FLAVOUR, PROPYLENE GLYCOL MONOESTERS, MONO- &#38; DIGLYCERIDES, CELLULOSE GUM, CAROB BEAN GUM, GUAR GUM, COLOUR, CARRAGEENAN. (Source.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always avoided Haagen-Daz because I thought the Scandinavian name on a Bronx company&#8217;s product was a bit of hoodwinking, and I thought that they were selling the name with that high price. Your post made me search; I came up with this, and you&#8217;ve made a believer out of me. Also, and maybe related to what Henry said, Wickipedia mentions that H-D is meant to be kept at a lower temperature than most other ice creams; possibly some stores don&#8217;t know that:</p>
<p>Butteroil and Bad Ice Cream</p>
<p>If you think ice cream is necessarily made from cream, or even milk, you’d be wrong. Indeed some ice cream is made from those ingredients, but most is not. Most commercial ice cream on the market today is composed primarily of “modified milk ingredients,” which can mean any of a number of different factory goops that are derived from milk.</p>
<p>If you’re lucky, the modified milk ingredients in your ice cream is simply powdered milk. More likely it’s casein (factory-extracted milk proteins), or whey proteins, or even a butteroil compound. The butteroil compound, according to a recent CBC Marketplace report, is 49% butteroil and 51% sugar.</p>
<p>You might ask, why bother using all this factory crap when we (especially here in Quebec) are surrounded by dairy farms? The answer is simple: money. Modified milk ingredients, which are usually made from by-products of other dairy product manufacturing, are cheaper.</p>
<p>The butteroil compound (which you will never see listed as such on an ingredients list) is particularly cheaper because it contains 51% sugar; since it is more non-dairy than dairy, it can be imported without having to pay any of the duties or levies that are applied to real dairy products. In other words, it is cheaper to use imported butteroil compound than to use fresh milk from the dairy farm just down the road.</p>
<p>Most of the butteroil compound used in Canadian-made ice cream comes from the U.K. or New Zealand.</p>
<p>This is a travesty. Not only does that locally manufactured ice cream carry a huge carbon footprint from all that international shipping, and not only is it a slap in the face to our local dairy farmers, but it makes for lousy ice cream because it requires the addition of further factory goop in order to make it resemble the texture and “mouth feel” of real ice cream. Worst of all, it pretty much always misses the mark.</p>
<p>Check the labels. Ice cream composed primarily of “modified milk ingredients” is also full of various gums (guar, cellulose, carrageenan, etc.) which is used to stabilize the product and to give it a creamy feel. However, it’s really more of a gummy feel, but we’ve become so accustomed to fake ice cream that most of us no longer know the difference.</p>
<p>I don’t know what the health implications of all those compounds and gums are, but from a purely aesthetic perspective think about it this way: on your left is a tub of frozen butteroil compound, glucose, and two or three gums. On your right is a tub of frozen milk, cream, and sugar. Now which one sounds more appealing? And which one do you think will actually taste better?</p>
<p>There’s a reason why ice cream from small producers like Le Bilboquet and Ripples tastes better (and is more expensive). It’s because they are made of real food, not factory by-products and lab goop.</p>
<p>Most supermarket brands fail the test. A few, such as Häagen-Daz, are made from real food, but most – especially the no-name brands – are total crap. Some will fool you, like Nestle’s “Real Dairy” product. Its first ingredient is real cream, but next comes “modified milk ingredients,” followed by corn syrup and three kinds of gum.</p>
<p>Below are the ingredients lists of a few popular brands to show you what I mean; they’re listed in order from “real” to “fake” (according to my own guidelines). Please read the labels before you buy, and vote with your hard-earned shopping money.</p>
<p>Häagen-Daz Vanilla</p>
<p>    CREAM, SKIM MILK, SUGAR, EGG YOLKS, NATURAL VANILLA. (Source.)</p>
<p>Ben &amp; Jerry’s Vanilla</p>
<p>    CREAM, SKIM MILK, LIQUID SUGAR, WATER, EGG YOLKS, VANILLA EXTRACT WITH VANILLA BEAN SEEDS, GUAR GUM AND CARRAGEENAN. (Source.)</p>
<p>Nestlé Real Dairy Natural Vanilla</p>
<p>    FRESH CREAM, MODIFIED MILK INGREDIENTS, SUGAR, CORN SYRUP, EVAPORATED SKIM MILK, STABILIZERS*, NATURAL VANILLA FLAVOUR, PURE GROUND VANILLA BEANS. *STABILIZERS: MONO- AND DIGLYCERIDES, GUAR GUM, CALCIUM SULPHATE, CELLULOSE GUM, CARRAGEENAN. (Source.)</p>
<p>Breyer’s Double-Churned Extra Creamy Natural Vanilla</p>
<p>    MILK INGREDIENTS, SUGAR, MODIFIED MILK INGREDIENTS, GLUCOSE, NATURAL VANILLA FLAVOUR, MONO AND DIGLYCERIDES, CELLULOSE GUM, GUAR GUM, POLYSORBATE 80, CARRAGEENAN, PURE GROUND VANILLA BEANS. (Source.)</p>
<p>Breyer’s Double-Churned Extra Creamy Fat-Free Natural Vanilla</p>
<p>    MILK INGREDIENTS, MODIFIED MILK INGREDIENTS, SUGAR, GLUCOSE, POLYDEXTROSE (3.4 G / 125 ML), MALTODEXTRIN, NATURAL FLAVOUR, PROPYLENE GLYCOL MONOESTERS, MONO- &amp; DIGLYCERIDES, CELLULOSE GUM, CAROB BEAN GUM, GUAR GUM, COLOUR, CARRAGEENAN. (Source.)</p>
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		<title>By: Don Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.chiriquichatter.net/blog/2007/11/15/hagen-dice/#comment-29828</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Henry. That is a good word of caution.</description>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.chiriquichatter.net/blog/2007/11/15/hagen-dice/#comment-29817</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a word of caution. Much frozen food sold in Panama has been thawed and refrozen, not deliberately but simply through carelessness and improper handling. Nora spent a very uncomfortable night in the hospital from eating locally produced frozen trout. We are now very carefully inspect all frozen foods and buy only fresh fish. 

Blue Bell is the best ice cream in the world, but I wait until I'm in Texas to enjoy any US made ice cream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a word of caution. Much frozen food sold in Panama has been thawed and refrozen, not deliberately but simply through carelessness and improper handling. Nora spent a very uncomfortable night in the hospital from eating locally produced frozen trout. We are now very carefully inspect all frozen foods and buy only fresh fish. </p>
<p>Blue Bell is the best ice cream in the world, but I wait until I&#8217;m in Texas to enjoy any US made ice cream.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.chiriquichatter.net/blog/2007/11/15/hagen-dice/#comment-29814</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Wendy. Thanks for the comment. Ben and Jerry's is still at El Rey. There are a limited number of flavors. They also have some Häagen-Dazs. I also like the Mayfield brand, which is new to me. If you can find Banana Split. Try it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Wendy. Thanks for the comment. Ben and Jerry&#8217;s is still at El Rey. There are a limited number of flavors. They also have some Häagen-Dazs. I also like the Mayfield brand, which is new to me. If you can find Banana Split. Try it.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
		<link>http://www.chiriquichatter.net/blog/2007/11/15/hagen-dice/#comment-29811</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don:  I find that to be the case also.  I think it has to do with a problem between the provider and the retailer and how long the ice cream is left out between freezings.  Once it has thawed, even partially, and then been refrozen, ice crystals form.  Sometimes the ice cream has made such a volume of ice crystals that it has expanded enough to force the lid to be far above the container itself!  This has also been my experience with Bonlac.  I miss Ben and Jerry's and Edy's</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don:  I find that to be the case also.  I think it has to do with a problem between the provider and the retailer and how long the ice cream is left out between freezings.  Once it has thawed, even partially, and then been refrozen, ice crystals form.  Sometimes the ice cream has made such a volume of ice crystals that it has expanded enough to force the lid to be far above the container itself!  This has also been my experience with Bonlac.  I miss Ben and Jerry&#8217;s and Edy&#8217;s</p>
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