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		<title>By: &#62;Snake Eyes</title>
		<link>http://www.chiriquichatter.net/blog/2006/12/07/something-to-consider/#comment-13842</link>
		<dc:creator>&#62;Snake Eyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have heard all these stories about Latins not returning phone calls, not showing up on time and quitting jobs...granted I have never lived in Central America yet, but I can say the very same thing about Americans right here in my home town! I see a whole generation of young Adult American "SLACKERS" with "0" work ethic! Can't be any worse than Panama or Costa Rica?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have heard all these stories about Latins not returning phone calls, not showing up on time and quitting jobs&#8230;granted I have never lived in Central America yet, but I can say the very same thing about Americans right here in my home town! I see a whole generation of young Adult American &#8220;SLACKERS&#8221; with &#8220;0&#8243; work ethic! Can&#8217;t be any worse than Panama or Costa Rica?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.chiriquichatter.net/blog/2006/12/07/something-to-consider/#comment-13831</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahahah. Yes, Yanie is worthy of a few more photos. However, I am probably good for another month.

I will have to tell her that she is a very popular subject on the Internet. That will bring out a smile.

I think Costa Rican time is very similar to Panama time. It is always much later than I expect.

I have been very fortunate that as many people read this blog as they do. More than that I happy that so many take the time to leave a comment. I think it is easy for the comments to provide more information than the blog itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahahah. Yes, Yanie is worthy of a few more photos. However, I am probably good for another month.</p>
<p>I will have to tell her that she is a very popular subject on the Internet. That will bring out a smile.</p>
<p>I think Costa Rican time is very similar to Panama time. It is always much later than I expect.</p>
<p>I have been very fortunate that as many people read this blog as they do. More than that I happy that so many take the time to leave a comment. I think it is easy for the comments to provide more information than the blog itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.chiriquichatter.net/blog/2006/12/07/something-to-consider/#comment-13830</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Don Ray:

    I was only speculating as to why they do not return phone calls--(we should add) to North Americans.  Not much question that you and La Gringa are generally correct about that.  The real question is why don't they?

    Ah, cultural differences, indeed.  I once asked a Costa Rican to meet me at a certain time, and he replied, "Do you mean gringo time or Costa Rican time?"

     By the way, Don Ray, you do get a good response to your blog.  I know two people who publish very good (political/economic) blogs and hardly ever get a response.

    Anyhow, I'll shut up now until your next trip to the barbers.

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Don Ray:</p>
<p>    I was only speculating as to why they do not return phone calls&#8211;(we should add) to North Americans.  Not much question that you and La Gringa are generally correct about that.  The real question is why don&#8217;t they?</p>
<p>    Ah, cultural differences, indeed.  I once asked a Costa Rican to meet me at a certain time, and he replied, &#8220;Do you mean gringo time or Costa Rican time?&#8221;</p>
<p>     By the way, Don Ray, you do get a good response to your blog.  I know two people who publish very good (political/economic) blogs and hardly ever get a response.</p>
<p>    Anyhow, I&#8217;ll shut up now until your next trip to the barbers.</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Don Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.chiriquichatter.net/blog/2006/12/07/something-to-consider/#comment-13827</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom. I made no assumption about your living in Latin America. I can only base my opinions on my experience here in Panama. Granted it is only about four years being her perminant and another ten years periodically visiting. My experience continues to grow with each new day.

Returning phone calls has nothing to do with not wanting to call strangers. When I complain about the problem to local Panamanians they tell me to get used to it. They say on one returns calls to cell phones and seldom to local non cell phone numbers.

As for cleaning my own house and eating TV dinners, I'll pass. But if it is good for you, then have at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom. I made no assumption about your living in Latin America. I can only base my opinions on my experience here in Panama. Granted it is only about four years being her perminant and another ten years periodically visiting. My experience continues to grow with each new day.</p>
<p>Returning phone calls has nothing to do with not wanting to call strangers. When I complain about the problem to local Panamanians they tell me to get used to it. They say on one returns calls to cell phones and seldom to local non cell phone numbers.</p>
<p>As for cleaning my own house and eating TV dinners, I&#8217;ll pass. But if it is good for you, then have at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 16:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good morning folks:

    It is interesting that you all assume that I've never lived in Latin America.  I have, indeed.

    No question, the cultures are different, but money is a motivating factor.  There is no other explanation as to why young Central Americans suffer so much in Florida in order to provide a better life for their families back home.  And, to reiterate, they do suffer, painfully.

    As for the phone calls, Don Ray shed some light on that in a different blog.
Rural Latin Americans just are not big on using phones with strangers; neither am I for that matter.  

    Just do like Snake Eyes; clean your own house and buy TV dinners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning folks:</p>
<p>    It is interesting that you all assume that I&#8217;ve never lived in Latin America.  I have, indeed.</p>
<p>    No question, the cultures are different, but money is a motivating factor.  There is no other explanation as to why young Central Americans suffer so much in Florida in order to provide a better life for their families back home.  And, to reiterate, they do suffer, painfully.</p>
<p>    As for the phone calls, Don Ray shed some light on that in a different blog.<br />
Rural Latin Americans just are not big on using phones with strangers; neither am I for that matter.  </p>
<p>    Just do like Snake Eyes; clean your own house and buy TV dinners.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You bring up an interesting point about returning phone calls. I rarely have calls returned. Lawyers say they will call me later in the day and they never do. Maybe I shouldn't have used lawyers as an example.

Also in Panama if you call a cell phone then the person calling pays for both parties charges. No one ever calls me on my cell number. They will call once, maybe, hang up before I answer so it is listed as a missed call. Then they expect me to call back.

I have gotten in the habit of calling back and letting it ring once.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You bring up an interesting point about returning phone calls. I rarely have calls returned. Lawyers say they will call me later in the day and they never do. Maybe I shouldn&#8217;t have used lawyers as an example.</p>
<p>Also in Panama if you call a cell phone then the person calling pays for both parties charges. No one ever calls me on my cell number. They will call once, maybe, hang up before I answer so it is listed as a missed call. Then they expect me to call back.</p>
<p>I have gotten in the habit of calling back and letting it ring once.</p>
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		<title>By: La Gringa</title>
		<link>http://www.chiriquichatter.net/blog/2006/12/07/something-to-consider/#comment-13817</link>
		<dc:creator>La Gringa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 15:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Don Ray. I have to leave a comment for Tom. 

I'm La Gringa and I pay EXACTLY what the going rate is, sometimes more; always more if you consider the fact that I don't make the maids work as many hours in a day or 6 or 7 days a week as most Hondurans do. 

For one girl who was previously living and working in a small town, we gave her her own room, private bathroom, TV, 3 meals a day, AND increased her salary by 88% (eighty-eight not eight.eight) to pay the going rate here in La Ceiba, with a promise for further increases if she did a good job. She left after 2 months.

Two maids never returned to work after I told them that I was giving them a raise. I can tell you that money is not a motivator, as strange as that sounds to us North Americans. "That simple rule of economics" doesn't apply here in Honduras. 

An extreme example is when we were building our house. We would call about a bid for materials, either with questions about their bid or to tell them we wanted to do business with them. If the person we needed to talk to wasn't available, they would never call us back. Ever, in 2 years of construction. So they would risk a $10-20-50,000 contract because they didn't want to spend $1 on a phone call. And this was after they had gone to the trouble to quote the work or materials. Explain that one to me?

Sorry, Tom, until you've lived here, you can't possibly understand. You are assuming that every culture is motivated by money like the U.S. and it just isn't so.

Every Honduran family I know (from the not wealthy at all to the very wealthy) has the same problem keeping a maid. Not only that, do you know what they tell me my problem is? They say that a maid will not respect me because I treat them TOO NICE! They say that I cannot treat them like an equal.

So, Tom, you just don't know what you are talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Don Ray. I have to leave a comment for Tom. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m La Gringa and I pay EXACTLY what the going rate is, sometimes more; always more if you consider the fact that I don&#8217;t make the maids work as many hours in a day or 6 or 7 days a week as most Hondurans do. </p>
<p>For one girl who was previously living and working in a small town, we gave her her own room, private bathroom, TV, 3 meals a day, AND increased her salary by 88% (eighty-eight not eight.eight) to pay the going rate here in La Ceiba, with a promise for further increases if she did a good job. She left after 2 months.</p>
<p>Two maids never returned to work after I told them that I was giving them a raise. I can tell you that money is not a motivator, as strange as that sounds to us North Americans. &#8220;That simple rule of economics&#8221; doesn&#8217;t apply here in Honduras. </p>
<p>An extreme example is when we were building our house. We would call about a bid for materials, either with questions about their bid or to tell them we wanted to do business with them. If the person we needed to talk to wasn&#8217;t available, they would never call us back. Ever, in 2 years of construction. So they would risk a $10-20-50,000 contract because they didn&#8217;t want to spend $1 on a phone call. And this was after they had gone to the trouble to quote the work or materials. Explain that one to me?</p>
<p>Sorry, Tom, until you&#8217;ve lived here, you can&#8217;t possibly understand. You are assuming that every culture is motivated by money like the U.S. and it just isn&#8217;t so.</p>
<p>Every Honduran family I know (from the not wealthy at all to the very wealthy) has the same problem keeping a maid. Not only that, do you know what they tell me my problem is? They say that a maid will not respect me because I treat them TOO NICE! They say that I cannot treat them like an equal.</p>
<p>So, Tom, you just don&#8217;t know what you are talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: &#62;Snake Eyes</title>
		<link>http://www.chiriquichatter.net/blog/2006/12/07/something-to-consider/#comment-13812</link>
		<dc:creator>&#62;Snake Eyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heck TV dinners in the States have become allot healthier, tastier and better selection and good price, never have to worry about spoilage, over the last 10 years, probably the ONLY thing I will miss about the States...I hate to cook!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heck TV dinners in the States have become allot healthier, tastier and better selection and good price, never have to worry about spoilage, over the last 10 years, probably the ONLY thing I will miss about the States&#8230;I hate to cook!</p>
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		<title>By: Don Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.chiriquichatter.net/blog/2006/12/07/something-to-consider/#comment-13809</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At most of the larger supermarkets you can find something that is like a TV dinner, but you will not see any Hungry Man Dinners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At most of the larger supermarkets you can find something that is like a TV dinner, but you will not see any Hungry Man Dinners.</p>
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		<title>By: &#62;Snake Eyes</title>
		<link>http://www.chiriquichatter.net/blog/2006/12/07/something-to-consider/#comment-13808</link>
		<dc:creator>&#62;Snake Eyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Dec 2006 13:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in the states I eat allot of frozen dinners from Wal-mart (I know, I'm weird) In Costa Rica anyway TV dinners are scarce, limited and cost 3 times that of the USA. I'm a microwave DUDE! what the heck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in the states I eat allot of frozen dinners from Wal-mart (I know, I&#8217;m weird) In Costa Rica anyway TV dinners are scarce, limited and cost 3 times that of the USA. I&#8217;m a microwave DUDE! what the heck!</p>
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